Servoy 7.0.1

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Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Jan Blok » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:21 pm

We are pleased to announce the immediate availability of Servoy 7.0.1 (releaseNumber 2008).

This version is a developer/mobile only update and is available through the auto-update.
Always make a backup of your current Servoy installation (directory and database) before installing/upgrading.
To update a Servoy eclipse open "Check for updates" via help menu.

Important: Manual step required!
Since this is an eclipse only update you manually have to copy the mobile plugin in order to see the new plugin API for enhancement SVY-4119
Download mobile.jar and place it in application_server/plugins
We will try to prevent this manual step in future eclipse only updates.

For using external javascript libraries (enhancement SVY-4119) read:
http://wiki.servoy.com/display/public/M ... +libraries
Servoy developer allows you to place a bean and bind any javascript library to this component, which can turn it into an signature field for example.

Read all about how to install Servoy mobile, run the sample and possibilities at:
http://wiki.servoy.com/display/public/M ... bile+7.0.x

For discussion about the new mobile client see the dedicated mobile forum:
viewforum.php?f=67

Regular Servoy 7 docs can be found at:
http://wiki.servoy.com/display/public/DOCS/Servoy+7.0.x


All the issues addressed, since 7.0:

Developer changes
[enh] SVY-4119 Add a bean component that can be used to link external libaries
[fix] SVY-828 Eclipse conflict for 'AUTOGEN:..etc.
[fix] SVY-3890 Unexpected exception while refactoring source code
[fix] SVY-3894 Warning when function parameter has custom type and the actual value passed is object created through reference variable pointing to the same custom type
[fix] SVY-4016 Outline view no longer displaying functions in a variable
[fix] SVY-4059 Show times for Script Unit Tests
[fix] SVY-4063 eclipse performance issue
[fix] SVY-4070 In the "New Form"-wizard, the formname is overwritten when clicking back from "Add dataproviders"
[fix] VY-4084 if you have a client started from developer and add an i18n key and place on a form a label with that key the client will reset showing you bad forms
[fix] SVY-4091 invalid builder marker about functions not always returning a value
[fix] SVY-4097 Double relation in Servoy Mobile (create)
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Harjo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:28 pm

Maybe not the right place to start this discussion, but Servoy Mobile is all about working offline.
what about, if we have a solution with thousands of records??

We would like to have an online Mobile solution, where we have always access to all data... (after search...)
How can we achieve this?
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Hans Nieuwenhuis » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:45 pm

+1 for the online access
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby ROCLASI » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:46 pm

Isn't the client mostly offline. I.e. you need to be online to sync.
So I guess you could make it so that each search is in fact a (one-way?) sync. Ergo, you will have a (mostly) online client.

Just thinking out loud.
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Jan Blok » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:00 pm

The unique value for Servoy mobile is being able to work offline...
Please file a feature request for online capibilities (and/or vote on it), makes it easy for us to put/prioritize it on the mobile roadmap.
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby ROCLASI » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:21 pm

One could argue that most mobile apps work (mostly) offline. They fetch periodically new data and/or send data.
Even your favorite social network client(s) are (mostly) offline clients by design.

@Harjo, what would you consider an online client?
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby lwjwillemsen » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:11 pm

+1 for on-line access (read and write directly to back office database)

I am very surprised :( that this is now not possible in mobile client !
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Harjo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:07 pm

ROCLASI wrote:One could argue that most mobile apps work (mostly) offline. They fetch periodically new data and/or send data.
Even your favorite social network client(s) are (mostly) offline clients by design.

@Harjo, what would you consider an online client?


an online client means, that every search, directly happens on the server, and will give me back live result.
and if you have a result back more than 200, and you scroll to the bottom, the next chunck will automaticly retrieved from the server. (by json)

like this: http://view.jquerymobile.com/master/demos/
every page is loaded by ajax & json

Ofcourse offline has his own purpose, but in the projects we have, we don't need offline & syncing, but only data, we ask (search) for... and live updates!
We mimick a mobile client now, with web-client, it's lot of hacking around, but it's not real mobile client, and we can't push it into the any appstore...

Maybe this is already possible in Servoy7, but I don't see it, and given the comment of Jan Blok, I doubt if I'm wrong...

[EDIT]
The reason I ask this is, that I explicitly asked this two times, one time on the last ServoyWorld and one time during the demo at the BBQ at Servoy HC.
And the answer was: yes, it can do both..

I understand that you can explain this multiple ways, and trust me I don't point any finger... 8)
I will file a feature request, on which we can vote.
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Harjo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:31 pm

I have created a feature request for this: https://support.servoy.com/browse/SVY-4231

please vote..
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Jan Blok » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:19 am

Thanks for the case!
If software can work offline, it most certain can work online... other way around is much harder.

As you all of you probably know, the web is currently full of online app builders/tools/frameworks/libs...
In order to have a viable place in the tools world, we needed to focus and driven by more then one customer we found a niche which is offline.
Eventually the mobile client could have realtime online support, the question is how soon, convince us about your priority with votes on the case.
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby david » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:57 am

Jan Blok wrote:For using external javascript libraries (enhancement SVY-4119) read:
http://wiki.servoy.com/display/public/M ... +libraries
Servoy developer allows you to place a bean and bind any javascript library to this component


Managed to insert and use various enyo components up to an entire layout using this new feature. Interesting....

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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby ROCLASI » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:45 am

Hi Jan,

Jan Blok wrote:Important: Manual step required!
Since this is an eclipse only update you manually have to copy the mobile plugin in order to see the new plugin API for enhancement SVY-4119
Download mobile.jar and place it in application_server/plugins
We will try to prevent this manual step in future eclipse only updates.


Will there also be a 7.0.1 full installer? Right now the website only offers the 7.0.0 version.
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Jan Blok » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:10 am

No, download 7.0 and run "check for updates"
There is nothing changed for server or web/smartclient
All the changes are contained to developer (which does generate a mobile client)
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby Jan Blok » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:19 am

david wrote:Managed to insert and use various enyo components up to an entire layout using this new feature. Interesting....

Great seeing this work!
This new feature allows you to use any browser javascript/library inside servoy mobile client.
We are close to providing a sample which demo's a signature field. (we will post it here this week)
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Re: Servoy 7.0.1

Postby kwpsd » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:10 pm

Jan...you need convincing that instantaneous access to back-end data in mobile computing is needed in Servoy? I am astonished to hear that, since most of the world is headed in that direction.

We are currently formulating design specs for one of our customers to provide a mobile computing app for their animal breeding facility. When we learned that Servoy was going mobile, we thought that would be perfect until reading this thread. Our customer wants real-time access to the back-end data...that's the driving force. If Servoy cannot provide a tool to do this, you force us to look elsewhere for a solution (which we would rather not do). Please reconsider.

By the way, I voted +1.
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