Salerno,
you said the plugin would be released on Monday.
Did you release it? Or did I missed something?
HJK…
It’s ready for release.
I am getting some ‘Servoy assistance’ with my Solution.
Unfortunately I am not at all experienced with Solution Development.
So…It will be available asap, with some release notes.
Note that this release is Windows only.
It is tested with Microsoft Office products (except Outlook which Marcel is working on), Adobe and Paint.
Other integrations will continue to follow in the near future.
The are some minor issues with native process management, but these teething issues will be worked out sooner than later.
I think that as soon as I have the Solution working the way I want, a release will immediately follow. Today hopefully.
Hi guys
With Java 5 Java Web Start, we are having some classpath issues.
This affects the demo solution I intend to publish for you to try this new software.
Johan and I are working through it.
In the meantime, to show you that this is not vaporware, you may care to view the flash demo I quickly put together.
http://www.viewletcentral.com/vc/viewle … d=40642652
I am truly sorry for the delay, but I believe it is better to give you software that works rather than some klunky deliverable which will give you a bad first impression.
cheers
J
Hi Salerno,
Can you also show the default browser in an OLE object, without any toolbar, or whatsoever?
Than we can show rich HTML (from emails, websites, etc.. ) much much better than the HTML-are in Servoy!!
Hi HJK.
Yes, the bowser can be shown.
And, I am sure both IE and Mozilla on Windows can be supported, but I will need to confirm.
I will investigate as priority 1 once I get the thing released.
Mac OS X (I’d use it except for that ridiculous Aqua and the lack of mnemonics !!!)…I will start working on OS X integrations once the classpath issues are resolved.
SalernoJ:
…I will start working on OS X integrations once the classpath issues are resolved.
Great! Thank you!
SalernoJ:
Mac OS X (I’d use it except for that ridiculous Aqua and the lack of mnemonics !!!)…I will start working on OS X integrations once the classpath issues are resolved.
Great. What functionality will you be able to provide on Mac OS X?
Far out!
Great work.
One question will this work with OOo - Open Office?
Miguel
What functionality will you be able to provide on Mac OS X?
I think I will try to maintain some balance and reproduce the Windows style behaviour. I guess that means Office (except Outlook which Marcel is doing) and Adobe (or Apple Preview). It probably also means a browser; the question is which browser ?
I am open to some suggeston here about Mac OS X, but I’m not making guarantees at this point.
One question will this work with OOo - Open Office?
The first question is 'On which platform do you mean ?".
If Windows, and if Star/OpenOffice is OLE-compliant (and it is your assigned app at the OS level for the specific mimetypes) then I can get it to work easily.
On the other platforms I will experiment over the next few days.
Again, sorry for the delay, but we have been working really hard on the client classpath issue; the benefit of a fix is not just for this plugin - all plugins will benefit from the work johan is doing.
It probably also means a browser; the question is which browser ?
J
I would have thought that the majority of end users ie not developers would use the pre installed Safari rather than IE or Firefox etc. So on the basis of max exposure this would be my choice! I would also be inclined to say that the other Apple type standard software ie Mail, iCal, Address Book, iTunes etc are all likely to be popular on the basis of FREE. The Office stuff is a no brainer for any Mac Business user (…and there are some honest !
Again, sorry for the delay, but we have been working really hard on the client classpath issue; the benefit of a fix is not just for this plugin - all plugins will benefit from the work johan is doing.
A bit of a wait is a lot better than a buggy solution that irritates the client and a lot cheaper in the long run. For what its worth, a solution like this will open up a whole load of new opportunities, and as we all saw at Servoy World there are a lot of avid MAC users waiting for it!!!
Keep up the good work and throw over any betas you want tested on a MAC!!!
Cheers
Gordon
Hi everyone.
This bean is ready for release.
Today I will set up an online demo solution so that it is available tomorrow.
The demo will work for Windows clients only.
Java 1.5 is required; 1.5.0.4 preferred.
This means java 1.5 Java Web Start is required.
The detail of the solution URL amd any other important information will be posted here as soon as the solution is hosted.
The solution will support a maximum of 10 concurrent users.
Many thanks to Johan Compagner for setting aside many hours to help resolve some difficult and complex classpath issues. This is work from which we will all benefit, not just me.
cheers
J
Julian, what will the bean cost?
Congratulations btw with the birth of yet another bean/plugin
Thanks Marcel
I think the cost of the bean will be similar to the cost of the MediaManager plugin.
Go here:
http://cybersack.com/servoy/R1.1/doc/Pr … ducts.html
then follow the “Data Stream Products” pricing link.
I will update this tomorrow once I have done some ‘calculations’.
Let’s hope it works for people as I hope it should
Will there be a developer license too !
I haven’t yet found a compelling reason to generate developer licenses.
Maybe I am not seeing something, but generally the end-user pays for this type of technology. And, typically a servoy developer will recommend, and sometime purchase on behalf of the customer.
When a customer installs a servoy solution, there are 2 components:
- Servoy - Server and Client licences
- solution developer fees for work done, i.e. time-and-materials
Plugins, in my opinion, are product which fit into Category 1.
What would you propose as an alternative if you see things differently ?
cheers
J
As long as we (developers) can use the plugin as long as we like for development without constantly annoying restarts or something of the like, there is no need for a developer license.
On the other hand, if you really plan to tightly integrate the plugin into your solution, you have to calculate well. And especially with smaller installations, you will find that for example 300 Euros for 5 clients is quite a lot. We are not selling our solutions for 5000 Euros per user, where you could say the extra cost wouldn’t matter. If you sell your thing for example for 1000 Euros/user, those 60 extra Euros are pretty much.
A developer version could heal this kind of problem because it follows the idea: pay once, deploy as much as you want. So I think that is something to consider, too.
Indeed, I find 80 Euros per user (more than 30% of a Servoy Client!!) expensive!
Let me be clear: I find it a very nice feature, but paying that money?
I don’t know…
It is possible to do developer based pricing. I personally like this pricing:
http://www.it2be.nl/shop.htm
Maybe your plugin should be a bit more expensive than the menu plugin but not much more. That way you reach a much bigger audience. As a famous dutch textile baron once said: it is better to sell 10 $50 jeans than 1 $500 suit!
As long as we (developers) can use the plugin as long as we like for development without constantly annoying restarts or something of the like, there is no need for a developer license.
Ok…I think I understand what you’re saying.
So, given that my software does check for the number of users using the software, what kind/quantity of license would a Developer generally need to purchase ?
How much is that kind of functionality worth to a developer ?
And, note also that clients are paired to servers - you can’t use one client with an alternate server; it just won’t work (I have to protect the investment somehow )
The Developer license would be just that, however - a licence for developers.
This is not something a Developer would re-distribute.
Your customer would still need to purchase a licence from me.
Does that make sense ?
If you sell your thing for example for 1000 Euros/user, those 60 extra Euros are pretty much
Are you saying that on a sale of EU 1000/user, the value of having native document editing within the Servoy environment is ‘expensive’ at EU 60/client ? Ummm…you know…you get what you pay for. Built-in editing like this is going to be worth at least 60 EU per client for a lifetime licence of that version of the software - wouldn’t you agree ?
J
I go with Jan. The pricing of those IT2BE plugins is reasonable in my eyes.
Are you saying that on a sale of EU 1000/user, the value of having native document editing within the Servoy environment is ‘expensive’ at EU 60/client?
Yes. Imagine that this might not be the only plugin needed. Plus there might be years of development effort in the Servoy solution itself, that has to pay off. While the software industry is a decent business, it is not for everyone a license to print money…
Your customer would still need to purchase a licence from me.
That for sure, we won’t do. Our customer’s buy software from us, not from a variety of vendors. What am I going to tell them? If you like our product, you need to order 25 Servoy clients from Servoy, 25 seats from us, 25 licenses for native Word editing from SalernoJ, 25 licenses from company ABC if you like the calendar plus - if you like native HTML editing - 25 licenses from Harjo for the SHE?
So the minimum in my eyes is, that we as developers, have the possibility to “silently” sell your product.
Just my thoughts…