MacOS Big Sur

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MacOS Big Sur

Postby steve1376656734 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:39 pm

I have upgraded my MAcBook to MacOS Big Sur and have found significant issues when using Servoy Developer.

The issues are almost all related to screen refresh problems and have been reported to the main Eclipse BugZilla site. Until these are resolved (and the corresponding fixes brought into Servoy Developer) I would not recommend the upgrade. It is particularly difficult to debug in developer as the code shown in the window can be a mixture of multiple files if you jump from one source file to another (or even jump around within a file from one method to another) during debugging.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby mvid » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:05 pm

VirtualBox is also not working after upgrade (my current problem). The VB driver is no longer compatible with the new os. Several cases was already opened on VB website..
There are some refresh problems also with Eclipse. Of course they are not related to Servoy, but is seems that there are problems with the OS itself.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby sean » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:13 pm

Hi Steve,
Thanks for reporting this.
Our position on this is recommending to NOT upgrade

More info here:
https://servoy.com/macos-big-sur-issues

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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby swingman » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:17 am

Hi all,

I'm still on Catalina. We are about 10 months on from these posts and 2-3 servoy releases have come out since then.
Mac OS X Monterey is looming on the horizon.

What is current status?

Which versions of Servoy run on Mac OS X Big Sur?
Are there any that run on M1 Macs?
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby rafig » Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:37 am

swingman wrote:What is current status?

Good questions Christian
I happened to be playing around with a VM of Big Sur (Intel) a couple of days ago just to see if the latest Release Candidate of Servoy worked on it, so I installed it from the 'all in one' download, ran it and all seemed to be fine.
Then I saw there was an update to Big Sur from Apple, so I installed that, but then when I came to run Servoy, it didn't launch, saying something like a permission error (should have taken a screen shot, doh!) and then the crash dialog appeared. I had to delete it and then drag over the RC app again, but this will not be ideal in future if an OS update causes a currently installed version of Servoy to stop working, especially if you have made changes inside 'package' of app to update properties files and/or adding plug-ins etc.!
I hope Servoy guys can make sure to test things like this on a Mac...

And I too am VERY keen to know that there will be a properly working, maybe even native, Servoy for M1 (I know you rely on other packages like Java & Eclipse, but I think there are now versions of Java that have been released for M1...)

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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby jcompagner » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:45 am

We will try to look at creating an M1 variant for 2021.12. but there are a lot of native binaries that we need then.


No idea what goes wrong with if you install an update of big sur that breaks your installation.
Create a bug report at Apple, they break your system.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby rvanveen » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:56 am

Hi,

Im currently running Servoy (2021.06 & 2021.09) on my M1 machine, and it works good.
But i have changed the java version, when running with the default java version that is shipped with Servoy the M1 is doing strange things.
But when running on JDK 11 it works for me, maybe you could try that.

You can update the version of java by updating the path (path to libjli.dylib) in the servoy.ini file.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby rafig » Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:02 pm

Hi Johan,
jcompagner wrote:We will try to look at creating an M1 variant for 2021.12. but there are a lot of native binaries that we need then.

maybe you can see 'rvanveen's post as a start for what you might need?
No idea what goes wrong with if you install an update of big sur that breaks your installation.
Create a bug report at Apple, they break your system.

I might do that if I can reproduce it and get the correct error dialogs etc. captured...

Hi 'rvanveen',
rvanveen wrote:Im currently running Servoy (2021.06 & 2021.09) on my M1 machine, and it works good.
But i have changed the java version, when running with the default java version that is shipped with Servoy the M1 is doing strange things.
But when running on JDK 11 it works for me, maybe you could try that.
You can update the version of java by updating the path (path to libjli.dylib) in the servoy.ini file.

That's great to hear that it's working well for you on M1 (I'm now waiting for Apple to announce the (hopefully) new 16" (& 14"?) MacBook Pros that hopefully have M1X (or whatever) chip in them before I switch to M1 based Mac (& also a solution to running Windows in a VM... I did get 11 Preview version working on Parallels when I was trying out an M1 MBAir [which I returned within returns window due to how Servoy worked])
If/when, I will try what you suggest, unless Johan has managed to work it all out & there is a proper Servoy release with Universal binaries of Eclipse & Java ;-)

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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby jcompagner » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:33 am

rafig wrote:Hi Johan,
jcompagner wrote:We will try to look at creating an M1 variant for 2021.12. but there are a lot of native binaries that we need then.

maybe you can see 'rvanveen's post as a start for what you might need?


no because that is just x86 java not native Aarch64

Rene uses a JRE11_x86 instead of the JRE16_x86 that we ship by default, for some reason that works better when emulated on Aarch64

But Java17 is out and that's a LTS so i plan to stick to that version also for our normal releases from now on.
And i hope there a a good native Aarch64 for that and/or the 17_x86 also works better on Aarch64
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby rafig » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:37 am

jcompagner wrote:no because that is just x86 java not native Aarch64
Rene uses a JRE11_x86 instead of the JRE16_x86 that we ship by default, for some reason that works better when emulated on Aarch64
But Java17 is out and that's a LTS so i plan to stick to that version also for our normal releases from now on.
And i hope there a a good native Aarch64 for that and/or the 17_x86 also works better on Aarch64

Thanks Johan for whatever you can do that might make it work better on M1/Big Sur ;-)
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby omar » Wed Oct 06, 2021 12:08 pm

My previous generation 15" MacBook Pro with touchbar was running fine on BigSur. However recently I was forced to buy a new MacBook Pro with M1 chip (don't ask ;-)). I managed to get it working but it was randomly crashing at unexpected moments. So I decided to take Rene's advice (which Marc Boegem pointed me to, thanks Marc) and use JDK 11. It's a pretty straightforward process but if you don't know where to look it can take longer than it should so to make it a bit easier for anybody that still has to take this route here are the steps I took:

  • Make a backup of your Servoy.app and your Workspace(s)
  • Download JDK 11.0.2 from jdk.java.net/archive or use the following link: (https://download.java.net/java/GA/jdk11/9/GPL/openjdk-11.0.2_osx-x64_bin.tar.gz). Make sure it is legit.
  • Unzip it and place the jdk-11.0.2.jdk folder in your preferred location (I just put it in my Users/<username> folder)
  • Right click your Servoy.app and choose Show Package Contents
  • Locate the servoy.ini (note: the wiki points to the wrong location, maybe somebody can change that?) It is in the Contents/Eclipse/ folder.
  • Edit it and at the -vm tag change the location to where you put the JDK, in my case /Users/omar/jdk-11.0.2.jdk/Contents/Home/lib/jli/libjli.dylib
  • After saving start Servoy, it will probably tell you that it can't start because the JDK is from an untrusted source
  • Go to your Mac's system preferences and open the Security and Privacy dialog
  • It will show that it blocked JDK 11 with a button next to it that will allow using it on your Mac
  • Now it should work, you can check if it is running the correct Java version from your Servoy Admin window

Hope this helps, grtz.
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby swingman » Thu Oct 07, 2021 8:57 am

Thank you for sharing this. I will try if I can get my M1 MacBook back from my children -- it has become their school computer since I could not use it for Servoy ;-)
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Re: MacOS Big Sur

Postby omar » Thu Oct 07, 2021 9:54 am

My pleasure, Servoy (or rather Java 11) is now very stable in my case. Tip: while your at it increase the RAM (in servoy.ini) if you haven't done so. And not only for the -Xmx but also for the -Xms. For starters I would recommend -Xms2G and -Xms4G on a MacBook with 8Gb and double that on a 16Gb/32Gb. It starts faster and runs much smoother than with the default settings.
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