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Servoy and accessibility

Postby gzola » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:13 pm

Hi all.

We work in a municipality and use Servoy to develop different solutions for our offices.

Now, we're going to write our corporate website entirely in Servoy and allow access with webclient, but as government we are obliged to ensure accessibility (for disabled users or users with low vision) according to W3C standards and according to some rules dictated by the Italian Ministry always on accessibility.

We ran some tests and we have validated several pages (see W3C validator) with access webclient; these pages, however, returned several errors regarding the parameters of accessibility.

What we want to know is if Servoy allows us, even now or in the future, to write solutions without manual intervention that, once published and accessible via webclient, can be validated correctly and without errors in accordance with the above parameters of accessibility.

Thank you for your cooperation ...

Regards.
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby lvostinar » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:39 pm

Can you give some examples of these errors ?
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby gzola » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:15 am

To see an example of this is enough to test any online web solution to the validator:

http://validator.w3.org/
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby Jan Blok » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:44 pm

Do you expect a webclient to pass the validator you mention or to fullfill the WIA spec as found here http://www.w3.org/WAI/ ?
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby david » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:00 pm

gzola wrote:To see an example of this is enough to test any online web solution to the validator:

http://validator.w3.org/


Markup validation has very little to do with web accessibility principles.

The book: "Designing with Progressive Enhancement" outlines the most intelligent approach I've ever come across.

Servoy's web client couldn't be any less accessible than it currently is. Which makes it unsuitable for any government and many corporate projects here in the US.
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby gzola » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:07 am

Jan Blok wrote:Do you expect a webclient to pass the validator you mention or to fullfill the WIA spec as found here http://www.w3.org/WAI/ ?


Hi Jan and thanks for the reply.

It is sufficient that the screen reader software to correctly read the page. The validator then, while making a formal verification of code, also check that the accessibility of the main requirements.
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby david » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:31 pm

Markup that validates well is just a given. A web accessibility validator tells the real story. Try running a web client through: http://wave.webaim.org/.

Web accessibility can be a royal pain to accomplish really well. With that said, there are a number of basic things Servoy could do to get web client quite respectable in this regard:

- alt tags for images
- labels for fields
- write divs out in order based on groupings and tab order
- be able to tag elements with html structure tags (h1, h2, maybe the new html 5 structure tags?, etc...)
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby gzola » Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:53 am

Hello David and thanks for reporting this site.

I totally agree with you. If you could gain the respect of the main requirements of accessibility with a standard Servoy web client, it would be a child's play quickly create interactive web sites and portals for government websites.

Servoy thus terribly extend its areas of use.
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Re: Servoy and accessibility

Postby jcompagner » Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:24 am

david wrote:- alt tags for images


which one do we miss?

david wrote:- labels for fields


we already do that if you define on a label that it is a labelFor of that field.
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